More DOWNGRADE at Floyd’s Cross Church

God’s called deserve the best preparation for ministry for God’s people that is available. – Jeff Crawford, President of Cross Church School of Ministry and Teaching Pastor

Through a series of “powerful messages,” God began to move in a “mighty way” in 2012 as Ronnie Floyd’s “vision” for the Cross Church School of Ministry came into fruition with Jeff Crawford accepting the call as the new institution’s first president (as the website explains). As Floyd’s School of Ministry says on its website, “… only God knows the heights to which we will be called to soar.”

For the low, low price of only twelve thousand dollars and a year of free labor, you can be given “practical ministry experience.” In other words, essentially, pay them to let you intern. In short, if you’re just starting out climbing that SBC career ladder, you can buy your way into an internship under mega-church pastor, Ronnie Floyd (and to be honest, it’s probably a steal for the connections you’ll make).

The “school” has received some notable endorsements, including Al Mohler, Paige Patterson, Danny Akin, Kevin Ezell and Frank Page. Mohler endorses the internship program, saying…

“The most important context for the training of ministers is in the local church, and I am so glad that Cross Church and Dr. Ronnie Floyd are establishing this new program for the training of ministers within the life and ministry of one of the world’s most dynamic and faithful churches. Southern Seminary is proud to be in partnership with this new program and we expect great things from those who will be trained by it and sent out into the world.”

Calling Floyd’s church among “the world’s most…faithful churches” is quite a compliment. Mohler was significantly topped by Akin, however, who says that Floyd’s vision is “utopian.” One wonders how many of these men have spent significant time in Floyd’s church or observing the “school” before making such glowing endorsements.

I would ask, given that this program is (A) designed to equip, train and disciple future leaders and (B) is so contingent upon the leadership of its president, Jeff Crawford, as the website implies, how well the program can do discipling young people for ministry when it doesn’t seem that Crawford’s efforts at training and discipleship have been successful in his own household.

The Pulpit and Pen has received quite a few bizarre, angry and downright antinomian comments from Cross Church members and attenders for re-posting a video that was already publicly displayed on the Cross Church Facebook page along with the sexually explicit and shockingly vulgar lyrics being danced to by Student Minister, Chad Reeves on their Springdale Campus. Few have been so appallingly unsanctified and hostile to concepts of Christian holiness as Crawford’s son, defending the song and actions in the video as not at all ungodly.

In the post’s comment section, Garrett Crawford writes…


Notice, my criticism in the post was that a pastor on staff at Floyd’s Cross Church was dancing to lyrics so sexually explicit, vulgar and profane, most radio stations couldn’t play it over the public airwaves. I certainly could not get away with even reading the lyrics on my program according to the decency guidelines set by Worldview Weekend or SermonAudio. The lyrics are, without exaggeration, stomach-churningly ungodly. This criticism, according to Crawford’s own son is “legalistic garbage.” My criticism, as opposed to the lyrics themselves, is “sickening” to him. But get this…the young man says that “claiming that music was sinful is…sinful.”

Is this the type of discipleship and training in godliness we can expect to see from Jeff Crawford and Floyd’s School of Ministry? Does the Scripture not teach us that one’s household must be in order for them to be given stewardship over the household of God?

…for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? (1 Timothy 3:5 ESV)

Crawford’s son continues…

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The Bible has nothing to say about what kind of music we are to listen to? The Bible says nothing about these things? Jeff Crawford claims on the internship website that just a single year under his tutelage will change the trajectory of their ministry and prepare them for life. In eighteen years of mentoring his son, has Jeff Crawford never once brought up the issue of what kind of music or behavior is glorifying to God? If in eighteen years his very own son doesn’t understand the concepts of basic holiness in conduct, does he then do an adequate job in the year of mentoring he has in Floyd’s School of Ministry?

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Crawford’s son says that the lyrics are sinful, but listening to the lyrics are not (neither, apparently, is a pastor dancing to these lyrics as a part of youth ministry). One has to wonder what he says about pornography, should his logic hold consistently.

Do you really trust Jeff Crawford to disciple your son or daughter?

At Cross Church we see one pastor dance to the shockingly vile lyrics as a part of a youth activity and then the video be deleted after I reported on it. We see a she-pastor dance in a way and wearing things that not too many years ago most would have considered to be unacceptable and immodest, and then her links and references to the video be deleted after I report on it. Then, we see the newly-adult son of the one entrusted with the stewardship of Floyd’s School of Ministry show a clear lack of discipleship or even the most elementary understanding of Christian holiness. Maybe Floyd’s leadership of his church isn’t what it’s made out to be by some of the SBC power-brokers.

Garret did ask one really, really good question, however…

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The young man was responding to comments made in the thread about Ronnie’s leadership at Cross Church and his abandonment of almost any and all standards of godliness or holiness even among the staff, let alone the membership. His point was cutting – what about Mohler, who is nominating Floyd?

I think it’s a good question. Can Mohler really vouch for Cross Church as being among “the most faithful in the world”? Can he really vouch for the mentorship of Jeff Crawford in Floyd’s School of Ministry (has he been to Crawford’s own home to see the discipleship of his own children? Or has Mohler just slapped another good ole’ boy on the back and made a backroom deal?) – I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t want to know. The whole thing makes me sick.

We are heading down-hill, as Spurgeon said, at breakneck speed.

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18 Responses

  1. Shauna Bryant says:

    “One of the worlds most faithful and dynamic churches” huh? I’m starting to think some people are losing their minds.

  2. Matt says:

    Hmmm, simulating sex acts vertically on a dance floor is not sinful- good to know. Great discipleship program they got there

  3. Brady Bush says:

    While Mohler’s theology and personal conduct are above reproach, he has shown himself to have the discernment of Michael Brown. His silence in the face of the SGM and Ergun Caner scandals should be enough, but now we have Ronnie Floyd. Mohler seems to me the consummate politician. To be generous, perhaps he thinks that he can reform the SBC through diplomacy. What is needed, rather, is a high-powered flashlight and a can of Raid.

  4. It is painfully obvious we have the blind leadingvtge blind down the broad path that many will follow. Crawford needs to back up and do some teaching at home. His son can not identify sin, knows little about sanctification, and obviously has anger issues when any sin is mentioned. Points to a possible sin problem in his life.
    This is the SBC good ole boy system at work. Same ole thing.

  5. Barry says:

    I attended “Cross Church” (then FBC Springdale) from 1997-2001. I can tell you from first-hand experience that it exhibits many of the markers of a cult, specifically a cult of personality built around Ronnie Floyd (“Pastor Floyd” as the sheep call him). He is deemed beyond reproach by the sheep and is idolized by many of them as the ideal. Also, I observed many times how the church members react in a very hostile and aggressive manner toward any criticism of Floyd or the church. In short, criticism of any kind makes them see red.

  6. Shauna Bryant says:

    I am concerned for Mohler. His theology & personal conduct is good, but what of these alliances and how they will and do influence the ‘church’-the Bride of Christ? It would seem to me that he has a responsibility to also be above reproach in who he nominates to lead such a large organization as the SBC, which will have ramifications for all it’s member churches & to ‘mark those who need marking’. I fear for him, with a godly fear, in his abdication of this responsibility.

  7. j says:

    That is what I don’t get about any of this. If someone shows a video of you – one that they got from public website(s) , and then they criticize it, you get mad and pull it. Then you go after the person calling them a sinner, and worse.

    “And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:31-32

    So many in the church today, if their wrongdoing is exposed, will stand up to defend their righteousness tooth and nail. They are full of arrogance and they have a bullying and belittling and boasting attitude. There is no humility, no repentance, no teachable spirit. No, there is only arrogance and self-proclaimed sinlessness. Even in the face of actual video footage of lying or other sinful, grievous behavior, there is no repentance, no humility, just unbelievable self-righteousness and pride.

    Folks, Jesus Christ doesn’t save the self-righteous. He came to save sinners and to bring them to repentance. Church membership, aisle walking, saying a prayer are not repentance. True, biblical repentance leads to a softened heart, believing and living the truth, and a lifetime of repentance and humility before God and others. A true Christian is quick to repent, not to cast blame on others.

    If you are responding to your sin or your wrongdoing or your errors with a backlash of hatred and self-righteousness, then you need to the cross of Jesus Christ. You need to re-read the above scripture. Is your soul sick? Are you a sinner in need of salvation and ongoing cleansing and sanctification? Then Jesus Christ came to save those such as yourself. But, if you are so self-righteous that you do not need the forgiveness and salvation offered through Jesus Christ, then why call yourself a Christian? Why attend a Christian church? You obviously believe that you can save yourself. And that, my friend, is not Christianity.

    • JD Hall says:

      Good words. When asked his defense for Limited Atonement and bewildered he wouldn’t tell lost people at random “Jesus died for you,” they asked him, “Then what do you tell lost people?” Spurgeon said, “I tell them Jesus died for sinners. Then, I ask if they’re a sinner.” This is why Christians need to be the first to say, “Yep. Screwed up there. My bad. That’s wretched behavior. And so, I plead the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of my sins.”

  8. burrito34 says:

    JD, was the apostle Paul out of line when he publicly criticized Simon Peter in Galatians 2:11-14 for hypocrisy? It’s abundantly clear that he wasn’t. In fact, Paul knew that it was necessary for someone to point out the public sin of Peter, Barnabas and others so that the Gospel would not be compromised. Thank you for doing the same with this disgusting display at Cross Church.

  9. Kevin Forbis says:

    It is very worrisome when a pastor or any Christian attacks another pastor and or lay person in private, much less in the public domain of the world, as twitter is. I am not going to address your pointed barbs at anyone individual or entity, but rather would ask you to examine yourself inwardly as to your true motives. I know what they are and they are not pure. This earth that we live in currently is run by Satan, God gave him free reign over the Earth and all of its inhabitants. God also has given us a choice, we can either follow Gods will or give in and follow Satans desires. I will be the first on this to confess that I am a sinner, saved by Grace. As such it does matter what and who I talk with and how I conduct myself in public and private, because it is all a reflection of my commitment to God. You asked a question in your diatribe about Jeff Crawford, would you want Jeff mentoring your son or daughter? My answer is yes, because I have personally met and worshiped with him and asked the questions a parent needs to ask of a minister. My son is a CCSM resident, he will be graduating from CCSM in August and will be awarded 18 hours from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary toward him M Div. He has been exposed to many opportunities that a seminary student would not get to in a normal M Div program. The fact that CCSM charges 12K for a year is no money at all when you know what you are getting in return. Housing for 12 months in an apartment, 3 paid for mission trips, 1 IMB and 2 NAMB trips. Health insurance paid for by NAMB for the year at CCSM, all books and study materials provided and they are theirs to keep. I am an accountant and I do the math on everthing, its how I’m trained. They CCSM have laid out over 24K for every student at CCSM this past year. The 18 hours at Southern alone was worth 10,350.00 alone. So I would encourage you to go meet with the people that you so vehemently disapprove of and work out your problems like men. If I have made any typos in this I am sorry, not an English major and never will be.

    • JD Hall says:

      I have provided you objective evidence that the director of this program has not discipled his son; please do not judge me by your subjective suspicions concerning my motivation. Now that I know NAMB for some reason paying the health insurance for individuals in this internship program, this presents some added problems. Please consult the scripture that if a man does not have his household in order, he is not to be serving in a position of leadership and then deal with that scripture.

  10. Kevin Forbis says:

    Correction to my earlier post, the insurance is paid for by the tuition and is supplied through the same insurance company that NAMB uses for its church planters/missionaries. Oh and by the way, I’m not here to judge anybody, thats way above my pay grade. Have a great day…

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