Toon Town and Wacky World: Ronnie Floyd Wants a “Spiritual Awakening.”

Well, ladies and gentlemen…the philosophy of ministry of the new president of the SBC…

 

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“At other churches, you just have sit there and listen to them… read the Bible.”

And Dr. Floyd wants a new “Spiritual Awakening”? Good luck with that.

 

[Update: June 16, 2014 9:21PM MST]

I reviewed this promotional video on the Pulpit & Pen Program. Listen to the audio here.


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  1. The “Entertainment Gospel”. Raising kids in this church environment will prepare them for a church environments likened unto “adult young groups” like Elevation Church and New Spring (Furtick and Noble). Ugh!

  2. JD Hall says:

    Could be entitled, “How to mass produce church consumers and false converts.”

  3. Andrew says:

    Dude, can’t you HEAR? God laid it on the man’s heart. What could possibly we wrong with that? I supposed next you’re going to tell us that Driscoll doesn’t get Spirit inspired porn in his head and Butch Caner is less than scrupulously honest.

  4. JD Hall says:

    You’re right. Who am I to argue with a cast vision?

  5. Born4Battle says:

    So what happens when it’s necessary to do the ‘Paul Harvey’ and discuss ‘the rest of the story’ that has to do with God’s wrath against and judgment of sin? Children can spot a ‘bait and switch’ as easily as adults can, maybe ever more easily than us old folks. Oh….that’s right – you never get to ‘the rest of the story’……..heavy sigh. Judgment day will indeed be a ‘great awakening’, both for the deceived and the ‘pastor(s)’.

  6. Matt says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, perhaps I heard incorrectly (Seriously, no sarcasm here). Did they hire a non-Christian to design their worship service for kids? The designer said he had never entered a church in his life, yet he created the way kids worship. In some circles that would be considered blasphemous.

  7. JD Hall says:

    Yes. And he said that the experience was “life changing.”

    • Paul says:

      It was life changing for him. He and his family are now believers.

      • JD Hall says:

        *in spite* not *because of*….Stupid evangelistic techniques are unfortunately and fallaciously defended because someone, somewhere comes to faith in spite of these things because God proves his sovereignty through using even bad methodology. But it is not a defense of the methodology.

  8. Shauna Bryant says:

    This makes me sick. First of all, I grew up in churches which entertained kids. I knew it was all bunk and I figured the bible had to be bunk too since it was a side bar! The one man said ‘they have funerals in the chapel & I figured that wasn’t a good place to have childrens ministry. Kids in chapel – who ever heard of such nonsense – I mean they might hear Gods True Word or something! Hmmm….the God honoring & not man pleasing places (which we know as churches) hold funerals in chapel, so what….should no one gather to worship there by that reasoning? I guess my church is doing it all wrong because we have the kiddies in church with the adults, right where we’ve had funerals and member weddings too! And ‘progressive though staunchly – staunchly conservative’ – why that sounds like double speak to me. Contemporary, relevant? The BIBLE is contemporary and relevant to those who God has given an understanding of His Word! The scene in the beginning that had the kids all jumping up and screaming reminded me of something…Chuck E Cheese when it first opened! He dreamed and planned, eh? Perhaps he should have tried seeking Gods Will as found in His Word! They’re doing video games, they’re on the internet…..the guy says “I mean here we are we’re doing game shows and animation & dancing & acting & video in an environment like Nickelodeon studios”, why of course that must be the Greek translation in Ephesians for ‘train them up in the nurture and admonishment of the Lord!’ Well, at least the kid says they have bubbles and confetti a lot and another is glad they don’t have to ‘just read the Bible’. What God are they learning about in this psychedelic ADD inducing Circus atmosphere? This is so sad. The man then says they will do whatever it takes to get the message across. What….God’s Word isn’t sufficient at Ronnie Floyd’s church? Hmmmm? They are trying to raise up a generation that will… well we know what, don’t we because Proverbs says “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” This kind of ‘entertainment’, well, this particular kind is entertainment on some serious steroids, but it’s more ‘non steroid abusing predecessors’ raised up exactly the kind of generation that has birthed this disgusting monstrosity. Talk about Circus Church….these kids will only need more & more of this garbage – every week will have to be bigger, better, more lights, more colors, more noise, more jumping, more, more, more, more…….until the Holy Spirit quickens their spirit and rescues them from this dizzying witching wheel. I doubt Satan himself could have come up with a better plan to distract kids in what ‘should be’ church. I fear for the people leading this circus actually, because they WILL have to give account & God will NOT be mocked.

  9. Beverly says:

    Sad. Bellevue Baptist Church does something similar at VBS. They state they don’t want to have a boring VBS like Grandma use to
    have. Watch this year’s VBS production. It is called “Camp Outrageous”. You know if you know Jesus you will have an
    outrageous life. Steve should be so proud. I am sure hundreds of these bouncing , screaming, and dancing children will
    “ask Jesus into their hearts”. This serious issue of one’s eternity should not be taken so lightly. I grieve for these children , these young performances and the leadership and members of these two churches.

  10. Mark K. Wood says:

    So sad on many levels, and the guy who designed it had never stepped foot in a church before. To tell the truth, he still has not!

    • JD Hall says:

      “Paul” claims he became a Christian through the process of making this set. You know, from the Holy Spirit’s use of set-construction as a way to draw people to himself. I’m tired of every time somebody does something abjectly stupid they find a convert (most of the time, a false one) and say, “See?! It was worth it!”

      • Paul says:

        You have no idea the depth of the stupidity and judgmental nature of this statement. It is not just an insult upon the man and his family who had never even heard the gospel prior to this event but also to a God who uses means way beyond our comfort level to draw people unto Himself. Again ignorance is bliss. If you knew the whole story, you would owe some sincere apologies but I will not wait for them. Wow.

        • JD Hall says:

          Again, the man was not saved because he built an irreverent church set, but because someone, somewhere, gave him the Word of God – which the set had nothing to do with. Concerning the “means” that God uses to save us, he tells us SPECIFICALLY what those means are, which is the preaching of his Word. And this set and philosophy of Ronnie Floyd is antithetical to God’s means of evangelism and unto salvation. It’s interesting that you insist on apologies, when I provided a tiny amount of commentary and just posted their video, in its entirety. It’s their video. I didn’t make it. I’ll let people judge it themselves.

  11. Paul says:

    This video is several years old and does not paint the whole picture. You might actually take time to dig deeper into the men and the philosophies behind the methods. It is not completely honest to tell just part of a story. It is also important to know that the man who helped design these environments became a believer in this process and is now a faithful servant of Jesus. It might also be important to learn more of the many families who have come to know Christ as a result of creating children’s environments where kids wanted to come to church and their parents followed and became followers. But we all know actually facts and digging deeper into the people we tend to attack makes for less ammunition in our agenda-driven efforts. God bless your “ministry.”

    • JD Hall says:

      I think the video speaks for itself. If Ronnie’s “church” didn’t scrub almost everything prior to his run for SBC presidency, more videos would be available. Tell you what, just ask Ronnie to release ALL the promo videos they’ve created over the years so we can get a fuller picture. Good luck with that.

      • Paul says:

        I am not necessarily a Ronnie Floyd fan and definitely not a defender of all things Floyd. And I am not SBC even though I have obtained multiple degrees from their seminaries and was a part of the movement for several years. You did a great job of diverting the subject and ignoring the reality that these methods have been effective in reaching multiple families with the gospel and was instrumental in leading to the designer’s salvation – without distorting or compromising the message itself. As a person who embraces a more reformed perspective on salvation, I am humble enough to recognize God uses methods I may agree or disagree with to fulfill his own salvific purposes. So instead of constantly bashing and make outlandish (and obviously uninformed) statements like some found in the comments, I chose to applaud a God who is big enough to work in ways beyond my own comfort level. If you actually knew Dale (who is no longer at FBC Springdale), you might have a different perspective as well. But then again, throwing rocks at people you don’t know from a distance seems easier.

        • JD Hall says:

          Perhaps there are some that put Biblical fidelity above pragmatism. For those of us who believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, whether or not something “is effective” (and I would argue – and Cross Church statistics demonstrate – it’s NOT effective) is wholly irrelevant. Furthermore, no one has “bashed.” No one has “thrown stones.” Let’s have an adult conversation without becoming so emotional and let’s provide a defense for our methodologies from the Bible and not our experiences. You know, because we’re supposed to be people of the Book and all…

      • Paul says:

        Yes – you put fidelity to truth over pragmatism & those who disagree with you don’t.
        Yes – you believe in the power of the Holy Spirit (unless He works through a method with which you disagree) & I don’t.

        Come on JD. I am ready for an adult conversation as well. Claiming to have a monopoly on what’s acceptable and not and on the power of the Holy Spirit might be considered prideful by some but we know that can’t be the case with the “Pulpiteers”!

        • JD Hall says:

          The Holy Spirit can use car wrecks to bring people to himself. And yet, we shouldn’t endorse car wrecks. One out of three Cross Church members actually go to church on Sunday. This speaks for their methodology – it produces false converts at breakneck speed.

      • Paul says:

        Love the extreme argument ploy. Simply doesn’t work though. And it really doesn’t matter to me what happens at Ronnie Floyd’s church – that is not what this discussion is regarding. As I have said, I’m not defending Floyd. You can try again to drag it in that direction but it is pointless.

        The discussion is over the use of methods. And since we are all using them at some level, who decides those methods which are appropriate and not? It seems we have both agreed God uses methods to engage people with His word (the true source of salvific means).

        • JD Hall says:

          The discussion doesn’t regard what’s happening at Ronnie Floyd’s church? Then you, sir, are in the wrong discussion. I’m not here to fill you in A-Z on what a Biblical methodology is. Listen to the Pulpit & Pen Program for about sixty days, educate yourself, and then get back to me.

      • Paul says:

        Thank you for your responses finally. They are exactly what I expected.

        Bottom line: we both endorse and use methods. You live by the red-light regulative principles and I embrace a more green-light regulative approach. It is difficult to be consistent with either approach. The good news is God is sovereign enough to allow room for both (at least for those of us who actually believe in the vastness of His sovereignty over our preferences or human interpretations).

        If I follow your line of reasoning to its natural conclusion, no person has ever come to faith in Jesus at a Toon Town gathering. And you and I both know that is absurd.

        I am with the Apostle in Philippians 1: “if Christ is being preached…” And that is a high view of sovereignty.

        And I am not comparing Spurgeon with Furtick, Noble, & co. But one doesn’t have to read through Metropolitan Tabernacle for long to see the Prince of Preachers was also excellent at some serious “eis – egesis” along side his exposition.

        Now to find those dusty merit badges.

  12. Paul says:

    May not fit your theological box on how Bruce articulates his salvation but it might do you some good to actually watch it. I will not expect that to happen but here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wksAqk77MlE&list=UUR391XBSLeTVodpKc7ydWVw

    • JD Hall says:

      Praise God the man was saved. But in that I believe in a sovereign God who saves people through his Word (Romans 10:14) and NOT through the methodologies of men, it’s wholly irrelevant to me the idea that he was saved BECAUSE he built this ridiculous church set. We (myself and my readers, fellow Pulpiteers) believe that God saves people in spite of all kinds of silly things, but not because of them.

      • Paul says:

        As suspected, no apology for your accusation they found a “false” convert to justify their method. I also believe in a sovereign God who saves people through his Word and not through the methodologies of men. As a matter of fact, I would propose that I embrace a more complete view of God’s sovereignty than those who suggest God doesn’t use human methods for a salvific means. You actually LIMIT his sovereignty to your own definition of what’s acceptable. Like it or not, we who are NOT “fellow Pulpiteers” (not sure what qualifies one to be in that exclusive group), also believe salvation is 100% of God. That does not mean methods are irrelevant. And unless you are doing anything other than reading straight Bible and seeing people come to faith, neither do you.

        • JD Hall says:

          I think you are far more angry, cynical, and divisive than anyone has been on this blog. Furthermore, I think you need to give up the facade of being Reformed. No one believing in the sovereignty of God would approve of this methodology.

      • Paul says:

        It is so amusing to me to hear someone use “no one” language regarding someone’s difference of opinion over a methodology. You can rest assured that my reformed position allows for God’s sovereignty to go beyond my own finite preferences. One might suggest that you should give up the facade for limiting a sovereignty you claim to embrace. And once again, I believe salvation comes through God alone. Not the discussion.

        I’ll go back to my previous question. Are you employing any method outside of the reading of God’s word? Do you use personal stories? Illustrations? Statistics? References from church history? Any other method outside of simply reading God’s word – for even interpretation itself is a human method of articulating God’s word.

        And yes God draws people to Himself IN SPITE of ALL of our human limitations and methods. I have never made a “because of” argument.

      • Paul says:

        Nevermind – I just noticed your church has an Awana program. Your reasoning just went sour. Again unless you are the God-appointed decision-maker on what methods are proper and which ones are not, you are in the same boat. So hard to be consistent in your line of reasoning.

        And yet God is sovereign and I trust He uses your Awana program to bring many to faith in Jesus. Now where are my non-biblically prescribed sash and badges?!?

        • JD Hall says:

          AWANA’s main thrust is Scripture memorization and also teaches kids to “sit still and read Scripture” and pretty much is antithetical to everything in that video. And yet, churches that use AWANA don’t supplant Sunday morning corporate worship service with AWANA. Think about it.

      • rhology says:

        And yes God draws people to Himself IN SPITE of ALL of our human limitations and methods.

        So we should keep putting obstacles in His way. It’ll bring Him MORE glory in overcoming them!

      • Paul says:

        Some might suggest Awanas is quite a merit-centered obstacle.

      • Paul says:

        And Awana teaches children that memorizing Scripture earns them badges and merits. I have conversed with many Awana badge earners who have a head of knowledge with little life application. It is a non-biblically prescribed method. It is not just sitting still and reading the Bible – made me laugh just typing those words. I have way too much Awana exposure for that wool pull.

        Back to the question for a third time: do you employ any method in your preaching outside of reading the Bible?

        And by the way, Calvinism is a human method of explaining a sovereign God. It is the one I embrace because it seems to articulate what I believe Scripture teaches but I still recognize it is a human explanation of a God much bigger than my preferred theological box.

        Waiting on the answer…

      • Paul says:

        And I’ll throw another question at you since you have compared yourself with Spurgeon in the Downgrade Controversy, do you think it is possible God actually uses “in spite of” methods you deem “inappropriate” and “sinful” (your definition only) to bring more men, women, and children to faith in Himself than ones you consider “appropriate” (even though we haven’t received an answer on what those are)? Again, I am theologically assuming God ultimately saves people through the proclamation of the Word and, as you noted above, the methods are secondary.

        On a side note, I love reading Spurgeon. But I think we can both agree his “method” of preaching doesn’t always qualify as the proper proclamation of the Word. I am guessing if he were a modern evangelical preacher he would probably fit in your cross hairs. He would definitely earn himself a review on Pirate radio.

        • JD Hall says:

          I would whole-heartily doubt Spurgeon would find himself on Fighting for the Faith. Have you ever listened to Fighting for the Faith? It seems you lack discernment. It would be good for you.

      • Paul says:

        JD strikes again. Ignore the questions and sidetrack…

        Unanswered questions still on the table:

        > Fourth time asked: do you employ methods in your preaching outside of simply reading the Bible?

        > Would you concede that it seems God uses methods you deem inappropriate to draw more people to Himself than ones that would fit in your comfort zone?

        **QUALIFIER (before you go there): only God saves thru the proclamation of the word but methods are often a step in the process.

        And yes I listen to Pirate radio regularly. Agree with some. Disagree with others. I use discernment in both instances.

        I am realizing quickly that your “method” of interaction lends itself toward making assertions over true dialogue. At least it is easier to avoid those pesky corners that way … even though I think any discerning mind can quickly unravel the inconsistency of your position on methods. Awana is a non-biblically prescribed merit-based (and somewhat engaging) human method. Period. And at the same time, I believe it is a great method to teach children the Bible and one that God often uses to draw people to Himself.

        Still waiting but not expecting…

        • JD Hall says:

          I haven’t ignored any questions. What I’m doing is refusing to allow you to obfuscate.

          Do I employ methods in my preaching outside of simply reading the Bible? This is a question presupposing the wrong answer. Preaching, Biblical proclamation, is and has always been beyond mere “reading of the Bible” and includes (as it always does) exposition and teaching. It is the Bible, explicitly, and its preaching and teaching that we see the Apostolic church devote themselves (Acts 2:42). Our Lord’s Day corporate worship includes singing hymns and spiritual songs (Ephesians 5:19) and chiefly those songs that put Scripture to melody. We pray, as did the early church and put a priority upon that, and we read Scripture between each song. When we worship by preaching, it is an exposition of the Word of God and we make every effort to avoid any discourse in that public proclamation that is not exposition (IE funny stories, personal anecdotes, etc…).

          Do I concede God uses methods I deem inappropriate to draw more people to Himself than ones that would fit into my comfort zone? Again, your question is a faulty supposition. Instead of saying “my comfort zone” lets say “outside the bounds of Christian reverence or scriptural prescription” and the answer would be a resounding no on the Lord’s Day gathering. There’s a little thing called the “regulative principle” that guides our worship. However, as I’ve said before, God can use car wrecks, but they shouldn’t receive the endorsement of the church. It seems you worship the idol of pragmatism.

          If you listen to Fighting for the Faith regularly (which is the name of the program and not “Pirate radio” which you’ve used twice now) then you know the absurdity of your insinuation that Charles Spurgeon would be included in one of Rosebrough’s sermon reviews. To liken Dr. Spurgeon, the chief of expositors, with Fighting for the Faith fodder like Steven Furtick or Perry Noble is ridiculous hyperbole.

          Concerning our Awana program, again, this does not supplant Lord’s Day corporate worship, does not fetishize entertainment, and teaches children the diligent learning of mass amounts of Scripture. And that, my friend, is antithetical to everything that is in Floyd’s promotional video of their “wacky world” video. Do children in my church come to expect cartoon-like characters, the flickering of lights, super-heroes in costume, confetti cannons and fire engine baptistries? No. They come expecting to sing spiritual songs with their parents, sitting and listening to the preaching of the Word, observance of the Lord’s Supper in a reverent fashion, and much prayer. Again, a quick survey of Cross Church stats would indicate that they do not make disciples; they mass-produce false converts and a large number of church consumers.

      • Paul says:

        Thank you for your responses finally. They are exactly what I expected.

        Bottom line: we both endorse and use methods. You live by the red-light regulative principles and I embrace a more green-light regulative approach. It is difficult to be consistent with either approach. The good news is God is sovereign enough to allow room for both (at least for those of us who actually believe in the vastness of His sovereignty over our preferences or human interpretations).

        If I follow your line of reasoning to its natural conclusion, no person has ever come to faith in Jesus at a Toon Town gathering. And you and I both know that is absurd.

        I am with the Apostle in Philippians 1: “if Christ is being preached…” And that is a high view of sovereignty.

        And I am not comparing Spurgeon with Furtick, Noble, & co. But one doesn’t have to read through Metropolitan Tabernacle for long to see the Prince of Preachers was also excellent at some serious “eis – egesis” along side his exposition.

        Now to find those dusty merit badges.

        • JD Hall says:

          “The good news is God is sovereign enough to allow room for both (at least for those of us who actually believe in the vastness of His sovereignty over our preferences or human interpretations”

          God is sovereign enough for any kind of sin not to overthrow His divine intentions. You seem to think that’s the same as His authorization.

      • Paul says:

        And you seem to think anything outside of your own personal preference qualifies as sin.

        Hopefully your zeal for the lost and your effort to reach them far exceeds your zeal for articulating your version of the truth (or maybe your infatuation with Ergun Caner & co). And hopefully that zeal is reflected, as it was in the Corinthian church, with the large number of unbelievers who attend your church and see how you worship in a way that points them to Jesus.

        Godspeed on your Downgrade efforts.

        • JD Hall says:

          “And you seem to think anything outside of your own personal preference qualifies as sin.”

          That is simply fallacious and untrue. I think THIS behavior (whoring out the children’s “church” to entertainment) is sin. I can tell you lots of things outside my personal experience I don’t believe is sinful. And now, comes your attack that:

          “Hopefully your zeal for the lost and your effort to reach them far exceeds your zeal for articulating your version of the truth.” I’ve nothing worthy of boasting about, considering that everything I have has been given (1 Corinthians 4:7) but perhaps one more knowledgeable about my life’s labor in pastoring, church planting and missions wouldn’t say something so silly.

      • Paul says:

        I believe silly and uninformed statements began this whole conversation.

        Hopefully the radio program today will be based on facts and not speculation.

        Just out of curiosity, do you believe your blog, radio program, book selling, sermon promoting, conference hosting, speaking engagements, etc. are a part of your ministry as the pastor of your local church?

      • Paul says:

        So a fellow calvinist who has a different viewpoint on the regulative principle has a threshold? Wow.

        My question regarding whether you believe your extra “activities” are a part of your local church ministry is a legitimate one. Just always curious how guys balance all of those avenues.

        And I did listen to the podcast. It does amaze me that you make such definitive statements on things you can’t know in any way – such as knowing Floyd’s heart on why he does something.

        Before I get blocked, I would like to go back to a question you simply dodged earlier:

        > Do you believe children can come to genuine faith in Jesus through God’s Town type environments? I am asking because you referred to it as sin. So am I assuming you do not believe any child has come to faith in God’s Town? Or that God use a sinful environment to bring people to faith in Jesus?

  13. “One of the most radical approaches to children’s ministry.” Really? What is so “radical” about it? Walt Disney was doing this type of stuff over fifty years ago.

  14. Neptune says:

    Even if we take the religious aspect out of it and assume this was completely secular……..

    We are going to have a generation who is completely incapable of having quiet moments of reflection and relaxation. They will never know the joy of just sitting on the front porch and listening to the sounds of nature. The current generation has electronic stimulation almost 24/7, except for when they’re sleeping.

    Some of these children will have a difficult time sitting still in church when the time comes. The saddest part of the whole video was the comment the little girl made about “…….or you just have to look at paper and read the Bible…..” That was honestly heart-breaking. I wonder how many times the leader of this circus asks children to open their Bibles or memorize a Bible verse.

    Humans need times of peace and quiet. 24/7 stimulation is not a good idea. The mind needs to rest. The mind needs quiet time to think, to focus, to meditate upon the Lord, to create and make sound decisions. Children who are not taught the value of being quiet and sitting still will have a difficult time as adults. Many of these kids probably can’t even sit still in a restaurant before the food arrives.

    Just think…..all of that money spent for a Disney Gospel experience. I would dare say that a child who goes to a traditional, non-circuslike church, who is taught the Word of God and who sits still in church will learn more Bible than the youngsters who are jumping up and down like they’re in an aerobics class.

    In my opinion, this is not necessary in a church, not at all. This is money wasted. You can teach children the Word of God in a way that will get their attention without turning your church into an amusement park.

    The part that was also confusing was the part about funerals being in the same area as the children’s church. Every congregation that I’ve ever been a part of had the church services, revivals, baptisms, special singing programs, weddings and funerals in the same sanctuary. These churches are just looking for another reason to NOT BE a church.

  15. Matt Davis says:

    This is beyond sickening and anyone defending this kind of garbage needs to stop calling themselves reformed or even evangelical. How close can these people get before we just call this what it is, a circus for lost people.

  16. Dale Hudson says:

    Hi JD,
    Someone told me about this post so I stopped by to check it out. It intrigued me since I was involved first-hand in the happenings. I listened to the episode and it brought back a lot of memories. Being an insider, I wanted to share some of “the rest of the story” that so many are not aware of because people wrote about it without taking time to call us or come visit to see for themselves.

    1.The video was made by an outside group that was doing a documentary on churches in America. They asked to come and film. It was not filmed by FBCS.
    2. The reason we wanted to create a new children’s space was because it met in an old chapel. The chapel was poorly lit and had dark walls which was not a bright, cheerful environment for kids. It was not the preaching auditorium as was implied in the review.
    3. There was much more to the kid’s service than is shown in the video. Each week the Word of God was taught from an open Bible. There was also a time of prayer each week where the kids gathered around the altar and spent time on their knees praying and being prayed for by leaders.
    4. Yes we played games. The games all had a purpose and were tied into the lesson and reinforced the truth that was being taught that day.
    5. The kid’s service was just one part of the children’s ministry. The kids also attended a small Sunday School class each week where they spent an hour studying God’s Word. On Wed. nights, there was an Awana program attended by hundreds of kids and the kids attended Sunday evening worship with their families. Kid’s church was the front door and a lot of unchurched kids walked through that door, met Christ, and were discipled.
    6. That video was made around 15 years ago. Today I can put you in contact with tons of those kids who went through the ministry and are now young adults in full-time ministry, pastor’s, youth leaders, godly businessmen, and faithfully attend church. I know…I am in contact with lots of them.

    This insight will probably be picked apart and I’m okay with that. I pray God’s blessings on you and your ministry.
    Dale Hudson
    Children’s Pastor at FBC Springdale (1999-2005)
    http://www.relevantchildrensministry.com

    Few other not

    • JD Hall says:

      One in four of your church members actually attends your church. The fruit speaks for itself.

      • Paul says:

        It is crazy to me what a jerk you can be while claiming to be a Christian. Your pride will eventually be your downfall. I feel sorry for your church, your community, and your kids. You represent what gives reformed guys like me such a bad name – and I am sure you are okay with it.

        Your agenda is clear based on your attitude. And it places you in the same category as those you love to rebuke.

        And for everyone’s sake who respects and treasures predecessors like CH Spurgeon, stop comparing what you do to his ministry. It is a joke.

        Sola Gratia

  17. These sorts of practices are the fruits of Arminianism. When a child is raised in this sort of environment, they become immersed in the idea that the gospel is all about themselves because that is actually what this methodology communicates.

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